Spinning off from Twig's post

[redfiona99]

Because I am tangent-ridden once more.

- No, a boy who has been raised to be tough and manly in the traditional American sense of it is not going to shy away from using various interesting derogatory names for female characters.

- John Carpenter's Vampires is on now and I am reminded of several reviews when it came out about how utterly lacking in female characters it is (and they're all vampires or whores) and how all the insults used by the main characters are all either of the slut/tramp/bitch whore end or of the fag end. Oddly enough, they're characters in a very similar situation so yeah, the Winchester boys really are practically angels in comparison.

- This, in turn, reminds me of a really interesting article on bbc.co.uk back during the last go round of how do we solve a problem like prostitution. It featured interviews with three men who frequented prostitutes, and mostly they were saying how they liked that they didn't have to go through the usual societal/female faff to have sex. Sound like other people we have been talking about.

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Other points:

- I was saying that I don't like myth-arcs and Twig drew a really important distinction between spooky, supernatural, conspiracy minded ones, and normal story arcs. I like the latter, and the one on Chuck at present has got me hooked.

- That being said, of the new TV shows this year, Chuck is the one I like the most, because despite being silly and unrealistic as all get out, it's the most fun, it does things brilliantly well, and I'm in love with half the characters. No, make that 3/4s of them. They're so fun.

- Also, why do I not have at least twenty different PWPs feature the two actual agents, and at least a similar number of angst fests in regards to Bryce's absolute and utter love for Chuck .

Comments

[angstbunny.livejournal.com]

Re: language of insult. It's also something inherent in the language itself, not to mention a product of what networks allow. I'm reminded of Jodie Foster on Inside Actor's Studio. Her favorite curse word is "cocksucker" and she states that one of the reasons why is that this one word will give your movie an R rating. The Winchesters can say "bitch" and "whore" but they can't say "fuck" or "shit".

I definitely think the cursing is shorthand for showing Dean getting desperate. Is it good writing? No, I still think it's lazy writing as I've said, but I know where it's coming from. I would much rather people say, "this is bad writing" than "rawr, misogyny." Because the place it's coming from is LAZINESS.

Maybe my priorities are screwy, but lazy writing annoys me a hell of a lot more.

There's also a HUGE area of consideration here, too, which I didn't mention in my other thread. Kripke is a fan-pleaser to a scary degree. SPN is the most fanservice show I've ever watched. There is a theory that the negativity shown to the female characters is a reflection of fan hatred of these characters, which loops full circle to my assertion that fandom misogyny will always trump show misogyny.

[redfiona99.livejournal.com]

I am slightly in love with the idea of Jodie Foster saying 'cocksucker'.

That's the other thing, they needed something that sounded harsh enough to be serious but didn't contravene the broadcast code. And they couldn't pull a Farscape and use made up words so what else are they left with.

No, as a viewer I think your priorities should be the goodness or otherwise of the show.

[kindoftrouble.livejournal.com]

Chuck is awesome. The characters make it awesome, really. And Bryce/Chuck is basically canon. There really should be more fic about that.

[redfiona99.livejournal.com]

I've just seen the one where he goes back to Stanford and well, I'd write it but I fear where canon may take us.