Part one of the unpopular opinions meme
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redfiona99In reply to Opera's suggestion of wrestle-fic unpopular opinions.
I'm not entirely sure that these are unpopular over in this corner of the internet, but they might be elsewhere. The first two are more general but amazingly prevalent in wrestling fan-fic while the other three are wrestling fan-fic specific.
1) Why the hell do people keep marrying wrestlers off? I don't get it. Fine, it's finally legal to marry a same-sex spouse, that doesn't mean everyone's going to do it. Because marrying someone is different to just sleeping with or being in a relationship with someone, marrying people normally involves the involvement of family. Who, lets be honest here, normally cause chaos and trouble at weddings. Why is this never brought up?
Okay, so there's personal beliefs involved in this one, I disapprove of marriage, but I refuse to believe that everyone in a relationship is going to end up at the altar, or is going to be happy heading towards it. So yes, fewer marriage fics please.
2) Similarly - does anyone actually have deep and meaningful conversations about whether they top or bottom?
I think part of the problem is that I really don't know, and, that, being a woman, if I'm having penatrative sex with a man, I'll probably be the one being penetrated so I really see nothing emasculating or demeaning or anything in it, so I don't understand why it would be for a man. But I might be missing something because I lack masculinity to be em-ed off. It does also remind me of something I once read as advice to men looking to please their woman in bed - "Ask permission before you enter her. Say something like 'please may I enter you' before you do, it's deeply romantic." And I was sitting there thinking, 'actually no, talking like an escapee from a bad 70s porn movie is possible the quickest mood killer I have ever heard of.'
Sorry about that digression but it may help explain why the deep and meaningful conversations thereto, they throw me right out of a fic, so why must people keep putting them in?
3) The glut of Daniels/Styles fic. It's not a pairing I get to start with so it takes a good author to get me to believe it, and while there are writers out there writing them that can do it, an awful lot of them can't.
4) Where is the femme-slash? Really, where is it? We have a fandom with an over-abundance of the pretty and female, and at least some of them have been known to snog other ladies on screen (i.e. Victoria, Mickie, Torrie, Candace), so why is there so little femme-slash? The women in the fandom are far more attractive than the men so why must the men take up so much space.
5) Why must 9/10ths of the fics on the SML feature Shawn Michaels? I wouldn't mind some, but since I have very little interest in him it just means that there's an awful lot of fic I feel guilty about skipping. But seriously no interest, unless someone feels like writing a him and HHH gen fic about the whole DX reunion blatently being HHH's mid-life crisis and the two of them having issues about why it's not the same anymore. 500 repetitions of 'I love him', 'he completes me', 'angst', 'whine', 'happy/unhappy ending', however do not make for fun fic times.
I'm not entirely sure that these are unpopular over in this corner of the internet, but they might be elsewhere. The first two are more general but amazingly prevalent in wrestling fan-fic while the other three are wrestling fan-fic specific.
1) Why the hell do people keep marrying wrestlers off? I don't get it. Fine, it's finally legal to marry a same-sex spouse, that doesn't mean everyone's going to do it. Because marrying someone is different to just sleeping with or being in a relationship with someone, marrying people normally involves the involvement of family. Who, lets be honest here, normally cause chaos and trouble at weddings. Why is this never brought up?
Okay, so there's personal beliefs involved in this one, I disapprove of marriage, but I refuse to believe that everyone in a relationship is going to end up at the altar, or is going to be happy heading towards it. So yes, fewer marriage fics please.
2) Similarly - does anyone actually have deep and meaningful conversations about whether they top or bottom?
I think part of the problem is that I really don't know, and, that, being a woman, if I'm having penatrative sex with a man, I'll probably be the one being penetrated so I really see nothing emasculating or demeaning or anything in it, so I don't understand why it would be for a man. But I might be missing something because I lack masculinity to be em-ed off. It does also remind me of something I once read as advice to men looking to please their woman in bed - "Ask permission before you enter her. Say something like 'please may I enter you' before you do, it's deeply romantic." And I was sitting there thinking, 'actually no, talking like an escapee from a bad 70s porn movie is possible the quickest mood killer I have ever heard of.'
Sorry about that digression but it may help explain why the deep and meaningful conversations thereto, they throw me right out of a fic, so why must people keep putting them in?
3) The glut of Daniels/Styles fic. It's not a pairing I get to start with so it takes a good author to get me to believe it, and while there are writers out there writing them that can do it, an awful lot of them can't.
4) Where is the femme-slash? Really, where is it? We have a fandom with an over-abundance of the pretty and female, and at least some of them have been known to snog other ladies on screen (i.e. Victoria, Mickie, Torrie, Candace), so why is there so little femme-slash? The women in the fandom are far more attractive than the men so why must the men take up so much space.
5) Why must 9/10ths of the fics on the SML feature Shawn Michaels? I wouldn't mind some, but since I have very little interest in him it just means that there's an awful lot of fic I feel guilty about skipping. But seriously no interest, unless someone feels like writing a him and HHH gen fic about the whole DX reunion blatently being HHH's mid-life crisis and the two of them having issues about why it's not the same anymore. 500 repetitions of 'I love him', 'he completes me', 'angst', 'whine', 'happy/unhappy ending', however do not make for fun fic times.
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Date: 2007-03-10 11:12 am (UTC)There've really been fics in which the guys get married? Really?
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Date: 2007-03-10 09:04 pm (UTC)but at least it's being written, which makes me feel better. Is WOWEC a yahoogroup or a website or what?
Yes, there was a small glut of them, and while there are times when I'm reasonably okay with it, when it's someone like James Storm who's whole character is very much 'a good ol' boy' getting hitched it's just somehow wrong, for reasons I can't explain further than its OOC.
Ahh, the misspelling Gremlins...
Date: 2007-03-11 02:12 am (UTC)I'm somehow not surprised it's become a subculture in the fandom. The majority of active authors are teenaged girls in their *squee years*, so...
I tend to write "Comfortable old domesticity" versus "let's plan a wedding!". Interesting.
The trouble with fandoms in general is that there's about five percent genfic to 95 percent pairing fic.
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Date: 2007-03-10 02:51 pm (UTC)Yes! It bothers me that the only reason for fic relationships is love. Friendship when it is written (which rare) always rates a distant second. People do more out of friendship than they do out of sexual interest. And wankily, I would hope that closing-in-on-40 HHH and HBK would have a bit more experience and emotional maturity when it came to loving each other (or others) than those angst fic protray.
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Date: 2007-03-10 11:13 pm (UTC)I've got to agree with that. I have one author whose Styles/Daniels stuff I genuinely enjoy reading, mostly because the author always comes at the pairing from a different angle with each fic. The biggest problem with Styles/Daniels seems to be "AJ is the innocent goodly virgin" and Daniels is the "corrupt, jaded misanthrope" and they will come together and Daniels will be healed, huzzah. If you stick to those stereotypes, it's easy to write those two because hey, built in characters as opposed to making anything your own.
On the subject of number one, I've got to add, that it really irks me when people become each other's "husbands." Now granted, I'm not into the gay scene and really don't know that many IRL, but it's always struck me as wrong somehow. I usually go with something like "partner."